Have you ever encountered someone in your professional life who seemed charming at first, but turned out to be a bit too self-centred for comfort? This week on the podcast we're diving deep into the world of narcissism with my guest, the insightful Lindsay Ruiz who has deep experience in this area and focused her doctorate in organisational development and change around narcissistic behaviour. Together, we unravel the complexities of narcissistic behaviour and its impact on the workplace. It's a conversation filled with personal stories and research that will arm you with the knowledge to navigate these tricky waters.
Press play for a thoughtful exploration of the human psyche, the complexities of workplace dynamics and the nuances of narcissism.
Are we complicit? Leadership systems can inadvertently support narcissistic behaviour
Why you should listen: Leadership promotion systems validate narcissism
Narcissistic leaders leave the team behind
We explore navigating narcissism in leadership
The pursuit of leadership power above all else
Beware the bait and switch - a narcissist’s favourite leadership move
Suffering in silence - the difficult dynamics of exposing narcissism
Take action
Really dig into how we choose our leaders: How do we manage promotions? How do we recognise leadership? How do we select for talent, and what kind of behaviours get rewarded in organisations?
Tip of the week
I explore narcissism in my book People Stuff and one of the biggest challenges is in identifying a narcissist. In the book I describe them as someone who lacks empathy and a sense of others. Their primary concern is for themselves so one way to identify them is through their relationship with blame shifting - especially when there’s a failure.
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About Lindsay Ruiz
Lindsay Ruiz is a seasoned transformation executive with a proven track record in orchestrating organisational transformations, spearheading complex technology deployments, and optimising operational efficiencies under pressured timelines. At the heart of her leadership is a commitment to bring out the best in people while championing visionary leadership. With a unique blend of practical business disciplines and extensive industry exposure, garnered through tenure at Global Fortune 500 companies and major growth brands, she thrives in the driver's seat of change. Connect with Lindsay on LinkedIn
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Introduction to Lindsay Ruiz (00:04:42)
And her background in dealing with narcissism in the workplace.
Understanding Narcissism and Narcissistic Abuse (00:07:13)
Explanation of narcissism as a personality disorder and the impact of narcissistic abuse on individuals.
Causes and Traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (00:10:24)
Discussion on potential causes and traits of narcissistic personality disorder, including environmental, genetic, and neurobiological factors.
Emotional World of Narcissists (00:13:47)
Insight into the emotional world of narcissists and the lack of self-awareness and empathy.
Narcissists' Pursuit of Power and Control (00:16:50)
Explanation of how narcissists seek power, manipulate their environment, and get away with their behaviour, especially in the workplace.
Comparison of Narcissism, Psychopathy, and Machiavellianism (00:19:35)
Comparison of narcissism, psychopathy, and machiavellianism as part of the "dark triad" of personalities.
Institutional Complicity and Betrayal in Narcissistic Abuse (00:21:52)
Discussion on how institutions contribute to the thriving and protection of narcissists, and the lack of support for victims of narcissistic abuse in organisational settings.
Systemic Issues in Workplace (00:24:37)
Exploring how competitiveness and political environments contribute to promoting narcissistic leaders.
Speaking Truth to Power (00:28:31)
The difficulties in creating environments for dissent and constructive conversations with leaders.
Narcissistic Clusters (00:35:56)
Exploring how narcissists attract and enable each other in power structures.
Enabling Narcissistic Behaviour (00:38:20)
Discussion on the rewards and motivations for being an enabler of narcissistic behaviour.
Preventing Abusive Behaviour (00:40:04)
Suggestions for systemic changes, personal empowerment, and redefining ethical leadership.
Leadership Crisis (00:46:44)
Reflection on the current leadership crisis and the difficulty in finding exemplary public leaders.
Favourite Leadership Podcast (00:49:20)
Lindsay recommends "The Path," a podcast showcasing non-linear success stories.
Impact of Narcissistic Abuse (00:52:31)
Discussion on the pervasive and systemic nature of narcissistic abuse and the need for awareness.
Creating Safe Cultures (00:54:12)
Reflection on creating safe cultures in workplaces and communities to prevent emotional wounds.
Dealing with Narcissists (00:55:19)
Zoë's tips on identifying and dealing with narcissists in the workplace.
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About your host, Canberra leadership expert Zoë Routh:
Zoë Routh is a leadership futurist, podcaster, and multiple award-winning author. She works with leaders and teams to navigate future horizons.
She has worked with individuals and teams internationally and in Australia since 1987. From wild Canadian rivers to the Australian Outback, and the Boardroom jungles, Zoë is an adventurist! She facilitates strategy and culture sessions with audacious teams.
Zoë's fourth leadership book, People Stuff - Beyond Personality Problems: An advanced handbook for leadership, won the Book of the Year at the Australian Business Book Awards in 2020. Her fifth book is a near future science fiction dystopian novel, The Olympus Project.
Zoë is the producer of the Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast, dedicated to asking “What if…?” and sharing Big Ideas on the Future of Leadership.
Zoë is an outdoor adventurist and enjoys telemark skiing, has run six marathons, is a one-time belly-dancer, has survived cancer, and loves hiking in the high country. She is married to a gorgeous Aussie and is a self-confessed dark chocolate addict.